Bank vs sutin (PI, not colon)

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u/elsa002
Wed May 17 04:27:43 2023 UTC
(26 comments)

Now that I'm starting to get a better timeliness of things like hair removal, I'm starting to question my decision to go with sutin...

The main reason I preferred him over bank was the recovery that suppose to be a lot simpler. There was also the factor of price and waitlist, but it wasn't as much of a factor...

Another thing is that being circumcised, if I understand correctly, doesn't work as well with bank, but I did see results of sutin for circumcised patients, and they looked good

In terms of aesthetics, I seem to prefer bank, but not by much. Things like depth are not very important to me, but sensation is

So something that was harder for me to find from the wiki, how do they compare in things other than aesthetics?

  • Sensation
  • recovery (both time and how hard it is)
  • risks for complications (even small ones)
  • feel inside of the canal
  • general experience during the time in Thailand (and how much time)

And for people who chose one of them, what made you choose?

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u/NicolaSummers Thailand transgender surgery consultant
Thailand transgender surgery consultant
Wed May 17 05:44:06 2023 UTC
(9 children)

The first thing you must understand id they use entirely different techniques. Bank uses the Non Penile Inversion method, using the scrotal skin for the canal. Whereas Sutin uses the Penile Inversion method with Scrotal Flap..

The Recovery methods are vastly different for both. The period for Bank is considerably longer and potentially far more painful than Sutins.

Sensation exists for both and with both you are far more likely to orgasm through external arousal - Clitoral.

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OP
Wed May 17 09:47:27 2023 UTC
(8 children)

Does the harder recovery of Bank also mean a higher chance for complications? And how long is longer? I've read somewhere it can be a year for what usually takes 3 months? Because a year of pain and recovery is a lot... and what initially was off putting for me

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Thailand transgender surgery consultant
Wed May 17 11:16:41 2023 UTC
(7 children)

No, there is no higher chance of complication. If anything somwhat less. And yes recovery with Bank can take up to a year. Although it varies for every individual. Sutin is more like 4-5 months. This is a reflection on the complexity of the surgeries.

1
Wed May 17 23:51:37 2023 UTC
(6 children)

Can you explain to me the differences in those techniques? What is a scrotal flap?

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Thailand transgender surgery consultant
Thu May 18 00:16:50 2023 UTC
(4 children)

• Penile Inversion Vaginoplasty (PIV) As described this style of surgery involves the Inversion of the outer dermal tissue of the Penis, the inner tissue excluding urethra is utilized elsewhere in the Vulva. It can employ a variation to employ the use of a scrotal graft primarily to increase depth of Vaginal Canal.

• Suporn Method Vaginoplasty This is the Non-Penile Inversion form of Vaginoplasty, where the Scrotal tissue (in toto) is used in the creation of the Vaginal Canal. Additional depth and some moisture is achieved with urethral tissue and/or Tunica Vaginalis (Tunica Vaginalis is the Pouch of Serous Membrane that surrounds the Testes and is analogous to the Peritoneum).

0
Thu May 18 06:07:24 2023 UTC
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(3 children)

The Suporn technique uses penile skin for the construction of the vaginal cavity

This is from the website, a study and also from the PDF that describes their technique and shows various results from them: "The vaginal lining is formed by using a full thickness scrotal skin and penile skin graft, supplemented by urethral mucosa" and sometimes the tunica vaginalis.

https://supornclinic.com/suporns-non-penile-inversion-srs-technique/

https://supornclinic.files.wordpress.com/2021/09/the-suporn-technique-.pdf

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16bXHFAgiKbyQjEqGohzy2BbE_wlteMTS/view

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Thailand transgender surgery consultant
Thu May 18 07:28:56 2023 UTC
(2 children)

They do not.

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Thu May 18 17:06:21 2023 UTC
(0 children)

I do not invent the information, it is what appears on the website, the PDF that describes their technique and the study that talks about the two techniques they use to build the vulva

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Thailand transgender surgery consultant
Thu May 18 00:18:51 2023 UTC
(0 children)

The Scrotal Flap is a small section of the Scrotum that is surgically removed to be attached at the Introitus.

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u/RealHumanNotAnAlien
Wed May 17 10:13:47 2023 UTC
(13 children)

If you know how to talk spanish, there is group/asociation called ivaginarium, they help/inform trans girls about srs, they always refer people to the pai clínic (where sutin works) they can show to fotos, tell you about all your questions and they do a videoconference a month with girls that had surgery there, so you you also can talk to them

For what they (the girls and the woman that manages the entity) told me good results, 3 months dilation before going wild, 1 year to full revovery

Very good sensation, it comes with clit, clitorial hood, labia minora and majora, decent chance to be able to get a lil bit wet ( still need lube ), and enough to shove most weiners/straps in there

Its a 3 week stay, usualy with only granulations as conplications

Edit: typos

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Wed May 17 10:36:35 2023 UTC
(3 children)

I am one of the Ivaginarium girl. I did my SRS and BA in PAI clinic almost 2 months ago. The association helps a lot and provides us support even before the surgery for cure, dilation, advices… It is too early to tell you about pleasure and sexual function but I already have a lot of sensation! Moreover the aesthetic is amazing (I choose Dr. Burin)

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OP
Wed May 17 13:45:41 2023 UTC
(2 children)

Is there a way to get info and talk with them while not knowing Spanish at all?

2
Wed May 17 14:42:40 2023 UTC
(1 child)

Send me a DM

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OP
Wed May 17 10:29:02 2023 UTC
(1 child)

I don't know Spanish sadly... do you happen to know about results, how many get labia minora that goes all the way down? And if they can be closed together below the canal entrance in a revision?

And 1 year to full recovery, is a hard one year? Or only the first month or so is hard? And after a year it is a fully complete recovery?

And are there any bad stories? It is always a little weird to only hear good things

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Wed May 17 11:26:31 2023 UTC
(0 children)

Based on what the girls have told me its not a hard year, maybe an anoying one due all the dilation. The pain is usually not much after 3 weeks. One year and you're done

The labia minora is like the one in a cis vagina, well, based on the like 50 photos i've seen from the girls from ivaginarium the entire thing is practicly the same as a cis vagina, everything is at the same place, and the scars are small.

About bad experiences none, but that doesent mean 0 complications, i havent heard any girls with botched surgerys, but there are girls with granulations that you'll have to get removed by your gynecologist, some stiches will pop during your first dilations(wich is normal), that the pain is manegable doesen mean a smooth reuturn flight or being able to run without shitting in somebody's ancestors for the first month...

Things like that happen, its still a surgery not tourism, but botched results i haven't seen/heard from any of them

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Wed May 17 11:40:26 2023 UTC
(6 children)

It sounds like they may be getting a referral fee from the surgeon.

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Thailand transgender surgery consultant
Thu May 18 08:35:35 2023 UTC
(1 child)

Theu do for every single client. To my knowledge 10%

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Thu May 18 08:52:03 2023 UTC
(0 children)

They should disclose it. And it seems they don’t.

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Wed May 17 11:45:40 2023 UTC
(3 children)

They are a non lucrative assicoation, they dont get shit

I see your point, but between that and most of the info i know coming directly from the girls you should be fine beliving them

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Wed May 17 11:49:56 2023 UTC
(1 child)

Also i should say, the 5 women directing the entity are all transgender

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Wed May 17 13:08:55 2023 UTC
(0 children)

There’s other trans women doing medical tourism. Nothing wrong with it as long as it’s disclosed.

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Thu May 18 15:13:14 2023 UTC
(0 children)

As noted in another comment they do get paid by the clinic.

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u/Fantastic-Season-578
Thu May 18 06:05:38 2023 UTC
(2 children)

Hello. I had surgery last year for my srs with Dr. Sutin, I went with an ivaginarium. I am happy, I have perfect aesthetics, my orgasms and sensitivity are incredible.

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Tue May 23 23:38:19 2023 UTC
(1 child)

Hey I wanted to ask in DM but unable to reach out. So, does he have a waitlist? How quickly did you get a booking

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Wed May 24 10:18:16 2023 UTC
(0 children)

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u/NicolaSummers Thailand transgender surgery consultant
Thailand transgender surgery consultant
Thu May 18 14:39:12 2023 UTC
(0 children)

Read this article. Yours are both old and misquoted.

https://1drv.ms/b/s!Akb7IxzpPx6LsDWhM4QAx96_jpR0