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u/[deleted]
Tue Dec 8 17:02:51 2020 UTC
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u/fastpilot71
Tue Dec 8 17:27:09 2020 UTC
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It is both true there is someone here with a vendetta against him and that he has many bad reviews. I might rule out Facial Team for cost, but rule in a Thai or South Korean surgeon -- of course, I'm in the US, so a European surgeon would have to have quite a lot to recommend them for me to go there.

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u/[deleted]
Tue Dec 8 18:45:26 2020 UTC
(0 children)

You should look at ralfes, Rodman or Jumaily as the do type 3.

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u/eighteendollars
Tue Dec 8 18:56:18 2020 UTC
(5 children)

I went to Raphael for my chin and trach. I wouldn’t say he botched me but his results kind of seemed like an amateur surgeon, especially after seeing the ct scans after.

He also did no scans of my face prior which could have caused serious problems. He only talked to me for like 2 minutes total, and while consulting with other surgeons for my brow and nose I realized how shitty his whole process was. I don’t feel like he cared very much about getting the best result. I’m going with Baez in a few days for nose and brow (Baez is amazing with noses), and the difference in the meticulousness and attention to detail is night and day with Raphael.

If you’re looking to pay through insurance, it might be difficult because he is in Mexico. If you really want to pay with insurance I’d recommend Regina Rodman in Houston or Mardirossian in Florida. Their results are great and they’re still not “famous” enough so that it takes a year to get in like keo. I liked them but went with Baez because it’s much cheaper in Mexico out of pocket (I live in a shithole state that doesn’t have any insurance that covers ffs) and his noses are top notch.

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Tue Jan 12 15:51:20 2021 UTC
(4 children)

Hey, I just had a consultation with Dr Peter Raphael. I'm confident with him doing my brown bone and everything else but I think youre right about your chin and the chin work he's done on other girls. Can I ask when he did you chin? Maybe it's still healing? But yeah I don't know why he doesn't go aggressive with the chins. Are you going to get the chin done again in the near future ?

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Tue Jan 12 16:01:21 2021 UTC
(3 children)

Raphael did my chin over 2 years ago. I had it redone by Guerrero (Baez’s chin/jaw partner) because the way Raphael did it messed up the proportions of my face and caused a problem with the soft tissue under my chin. Also had the trach redone by Baez, he shaved off an extra 8mm of cartilage Raphael left in there.

Lemme know if u wanna see pics and scans

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Tue Jan 12 16:49:23 2021 UTC
(0 children)

Yes please through a dm! I'm so sorry you went through that. Was a waste of money and time. It's making me rethink to choose someone else damn lol

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Tue Jun 14 00:38:01 2022 UTC
(1 child)

Raphael did my chin over 2 years ago. I had it redone by Guerrero (Baez’s chin/jaw partner) because the way Raphael did it messed up the proportions of my face and caused a problem with the soft tissue under my chin. Also had the trach redone by Baez, he shaved off an extra 8mm of cartilage Raphael left in there.

late but could I also see? I was thinking of him as a potential surgeon

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Tue Jun 14 00:54:39 2022 UTC
(0 children)

Before/after of Baez.

That was 7 weeks post ffs with Baez compared to 2 years post ffs with Raphael

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u/HiddenStill
Tue Dec 8 17:30:15 2020 UTC
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There’s quite a bit in doctor Bart in the wiki and it goes back a some years. He’s even made a few posts here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TransSurgeriesWiki/wiki/ffs/europe#wiki_bart_van_de_ven

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u/[deleted]
Wed Dec 9 00:08:10 2020 UTC
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Based on the reviews and the photos I've seen, the issue with Dr. Bart is a tendency to be very aggressive with bone cutting, even bordering on overly aggressive in most cases. Notice that even one of the comments in defense of Bart on this post mentions that he damaged her mental nerve? I just don't see why you'd have to cut so much all the time...

While he has happy patients (and I'm sure the majority of his patients are happy) the issue for me is: how comfortable are you with even a ~5-10% chance of being botched or losing sensation, or having the over cut, double-chin look that many of his patients seem to get? Those look like the most reported problems with his technique.

What would totally rule him out for me is the fact that he seems to just do what he wants rather than listening to the women who have surgery with him. A recent post indicated that he did a patient's jaw even though she had told him not to. That's unforgivable in my book, regardless of the outcome.

Why only these two surgeons?

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u/Jungle_Julia01
Tue Dec 8 23:32:11 2020 UTC
(9 children)

Go with bart. He’s the best in Europe and did many friends of mine including myself, someone here with a vendetta has some many accounts, posting without showing face or any proof (like surgery proposal etc) just because of high unreal expectations. Yes he did damaged my mental nerve but after 2 years the sensation is coming back. FT charge 16 k for forehead alone, subtle work and won’t do hairline advancement adding another 7k for hair transplant. Just no.

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Wed Dec 9 12:40:56 2020 UTC
(4 children)

Do you mind if I DM you? would you/any of your friends be comfortable sharing pictures of your results? I'm pretty worried

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Wed Dec 9 21:57:38 2020 UTC
(2 children)

You will only get botched and have guaranteed nerve damage or worst. Look at the botch stories and don't listen to his minions. If you get botched this people won't help you but delude you to thinking you are just imagining things. Never go to a surgeon with botched history. You'll regret it for life.

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Wed Dec 9 22:34:35 2020 UTC
(1 child)

I appreciate it went wrong for you and I’m sorry, but I feel like it’s coming across as more you being spiteful and like a vendetta than being helpful

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Wed Dec 9 23:09:49 2020 UTC
(0 children)

All have been said and done. It's your face, health and your life. You make your decision. Good luck and we'll see you on the other side when the time comes.

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Wed Dec 9 12:42:44 2020 UTC
(0 children)

Yeah sure no problem girl

Wed Dec 9 21:59:33 2020 UTC
(3 children)

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Wed Dec 9 22:02:40 2020 UTC
(1 child)

I did only jaw and chin with him, not my forehead of hairline that’s why I got clocked u dumb F, my girlfriends all turned gorgeous, someone is just too masculine to be feminine and they get pissed.

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Wed Dec 9 22:17:48 2020 UTC
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Well if he is the best then the surgery should have made you passable not more clockable. Also less is more for those already feminine. I'm not sure who you referring too as too masculine to be feminine because I certainly don't need more surgery to look feminine and I only needed light work on jaw and chin but butcher Bart is just too incompetent.

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Thu Dec 10 07:31:46 2020 UTC
(0 children)

Removed. Rule 1.

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u/Federal-Tension
Tue Dec 8 18:38:49 2020 UTC
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If you go to Bart the chances of you getting permanently botched is very high. Once done you can't go back and unless you're from Belgium suing him is hard. I think this also plays a large part on his carelessness. Botching foreign patients is less threatening. Also when I was there he operated on 4 girls in one day! Other FFS surgeons do one a day only!

So if you're gonna take the risk by going abroad it better be a proper surgeon not a cheap wanna be plastic surgeon. Heck your local butcher may do less damage than Bart.

And I agree nerve damage is guaranteed with him. My nerve canals are destroyed based on my CT scans.