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Fri Oct 29 10:58:01 2021 UTC
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u/PricklyMuffin92
Mon Nov 1 05:47:41 2021 UTC
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Brow bone reduction, alongside rhinoplasty, are the biggest game changers. This was actually confirmed using AI powered facial recognition algorithms

Changing other structures such as the chin also help, but not by much. Think about it: What's the first thing you look in someone's face when you look at them? Their eyes, right? So, what's around them? The forehead (Brow bone and orbitals) and nose, right?.

Source: Social Perception of Facial Feminization Surgery Outcomes: Does Gender Identity Alter Gaze? Aesthet Surg J. 2021 Sep 14;41(10):1207-1215. doi: 10.1093/asj/sjaa377. PMID: 33336697.

Mon Nov 1 05:49:25 2021 UTC
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Mon Nov 1 05:50:59 2021 UTC
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I MAY have a copy of that paper in our office's digital library. DM me if you're interested :P

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Tue Nov 9 11:41:45 2021 UTC
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Not sure where else to ask these questions as I have not had any luck getting answers in places...

How much of the orbital rim can be reduced in a surgery? What are the limiting factors?

When the nose is done how is the upper bridge connecting to the brow treated? Can it be widened/smoothed in some way?

Do heavyset brows typically require a brow lift if they are already in a reasonable position before brow reduction?

What is done in a case where a lip lift would expose some of the upper gum? Is this an acceptable result?

Does the surgeon obliterate the membrane of the sinus or attempt to preserve it in type 3?

Is your surgery (and others) aware of verteporfin and it's promising affects on removing scar formation? Would you be willing to explore this in your surgery?

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Tue Nov 9 17:16:59 2021 UTC
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Heya! Ok let me go one by one

  • How much of the orbital rim can be reduced in surgery? What are the limiting factors?

Depends on what the CT scan of your skull shows. It's a case-by-case scenario. Often we're able to grind down 3mm or more, but again, we HAVE to analyze it. As for limiting factors, basically, you don't want to damage the eye socket or make your eyes look too big/unnatural, or worse, make the orbital area too thin/prone to damage or fractures.

  • When the nose is done how is the upper bridge connecting to the brow treated? Can it be widened/smoothed in some way?

A cephalometric analysis (Using the skull's CT scan and a series of skull x-rays, specifically lateral and dental panoramic) is made to study your facial proportions and figure out what needs to be changed to harmonize them. That includes your nasofrontal area.

When the anterior table is cut off and removed, thus exposing the frontal sinus (In the case of type 3 which is the most common), the surgeon proceeds to burr the surrounding areas to make everything smooth. That also includes the nasofrontal transition, which is either slightly burred, or fractured when performing the rhinoplasty.

  • Do heavyset brows typically require a brow lift if they are already in a reasonable position before brow reduction?

Yes!

You see, think of facial skin/muscle as a blanket. When you put it over something, it grabs the shape of the thing it's over. That thing is the bone. If you look at cases from other surgeons, when they close everything back, they have to remove a stripe of skin that's leftover because when developing, the skin stretched to accommodate that protuberant forehead. So when you set back the forehead and burr the surrounding areas, there's gonna be a LOT of leftover skin.

As a result, yes, the eyebrows are gonna be elevated. How much? It depends on how much the forehead is set back.

This can be camouflaged using a coronal incision AND simultaneous hair transplants, so the eyebrows can be elevated, while still showing enough forehead that it will look natural and seamless.

  • What is done in a case where a lip lift would expose some of the upper gum? Is this an acceptable result?

Would you mind elaborating a bit further, please? Do you mean showing gum when smiling or when the face is resting? The former is somewhat acceptable. The latter isn't. That's why the cephalometric analysis is crucial before going into the OR. In fact, if it's the latter, perhaps orthognathic surgery would be worth considering.

Be mindful that sometimes it's better to be conservative with the lip lifts and keep them subtle. Volume can be added later on with hyaluronic acid and get a good result.

  • Does the surgeon obliterate the membrane of the sinus or attempt to preserve it in type 3?

We always preserve the membrane and in all of our cases, the frontal sinus remains functional.

  • Is your surgeon (and others) aware of verteporfin and its promising effects on removing scar formation? Would you be willing to explore this in your surgery?

I haven't looked into it until now but this seems promising ! Let me forward it to the team :) Thanks for the lead!

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Tue Nov 9 20:44:22 2021 UTC
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Thank you for the information.

Maybe I have a misunderstanding of orbital rim work. Can the rim edge itself be pushed back (inner edge)? Is the limitation there 3mm? It seems like very little.

Is coronal incision the preferred method in most cases in your surgery?

Do you mean showing gum when smiling or when the face is resting?

I do mean at rest. I have a long philtrum area and was hoping for significant reduction but it seems it immediately exposes too much of the teeth and potentially the start of the gum.

Re verteporfin In case it is useful:

Situates verteporfin and scar formation well: Shamik Mascharak, Heather E. desJardins-Park, Michael F. Davitt, Nicholas J. Guardino, Geoffrey C. Gurtner, Derrick C. Wan, and Michael T. Longaker. Advances in Wound Care. ahead of print. http://doi.org/10.1089/wound.2021.0040

More specific: Mascharak, S. et al. Preventing Engrailed-1 activation in fibroblasts yields wound regeneration without scarring. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba2374

As far as I can tell they have probably progressed through pig trials and human trials are by the end of this year. Apparently FDA approval should be fast as it is an old drug. I don't seem to have access to the most recent papers from the last month or so.

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u/[deleted]
Fri Oct 29 21:13:19 2021 UTC
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I mean its entirely subjective right, some people don’t have a prominent brow, some people have a wide jawline, its completely dependent on the person. Surgeons will work with you to determine what features you may want to have feminized by explaining to you the changes that they think would be the most effective and then it’s up to you what you want to do. I don’t really see the value in making considerations before that point, surgeons will be able to inform you much more effectively than people on Reddit can from a few pictures of varying angles, lighting, etc.

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u/jlynne58
Fri Oct 29 20:47:20 2021 UTC
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I love this question ...no, really.