I’ve seen trans women surgeries on here and I was born with a vagina sh I admit, they look pretty close to the real thing!!! It’s amazing!

Think of it like the concept of passing. How many of us look like cis women? For those of us who do look like cis women do we look like cis women to everyone all the time? For some of us the answer is yes, for others the answer is no. It’s also very context dependent a pre-op trans woman who might pass on the street likely won’t pass naked in a locker room. A woman may “pass” when you’re not looking at her closely or don’t know she is trans but once you know or get a better look you might find things that “clock” her.

It’s pretty much the same with our vaginas, I’d say about at least 85-90% of us pass au naturelle in standing contexts (locker room, changing room, open foreign bathrooms etc) which historically I’d argue was pretty important with how privacy was structured, even now, look at the ruckus at trans women in women’s locker rooms/changing rooms, I’d argue that about 60% of that has to do with the fact that they worry about a penis being in that space. As long as you pass, I doubt you’d have issues in a female locker room naked once your post-op because most people are not going to look at someone without a penis and assume that they once had one/had surgery. Especially if there is no reason for them to do (lack of scars/scars hidden by pubic hair, passable body and face etc.)

However, I know this question isn’t about locker rooms and being able to pass naked in casual contexts. It’s about sex, it always is, can post-op trans women have sex without arousing suspicion from their sexual partners, do their vaginas “measure up” to the “real thing” and allow for them to do that. Many people will be annoyed with me for saying this but I think that answer is complex.

I won’t go into it now just because I think it’s not worth it, but I will say that there are good deal of post op woman who have discussed having sex with both men and women without disclosing and have been fine these posts just often get deleted because they get taken to the transphobic sites and brigade/harass the original poster. There are also a good deal of post op women who discuss being clocked by partners they didn’t disclose to and while there is usually something else there (they had noticeable scars, said something off etc.) it is a reality we tend to ignore. Passing in sex seems to depend on a lot more than the intricate looks of your vagina (though this is important) but the context of the sex as well, is the person really into you/it, how low are the lights, how confident are you for your age/shared experience etc.

Unfortunately no one can really guarantee that you will be able to have a really passable vagina. Even Supron (who I feel is often treated as a god in surgery spaces) has made vaginas that have been clocked. However, I feel like the whole thing is akin to the way no one can guarantee if you will pass as a woman when you first start to transition the only difference is that the stakes are higher and it’s a bit harder to test out.

I think a lot of us view SRS as a way of shedding the trans marker on us and in a lot of ways it kind of is at least in the contexts I mentioned initially, but in reality I’d argue that you’re just exchanging one permanent marker of transness for another, exchanging one hyper visible experience of transness for a more mysterious individual experience of transness . Is that exchange worth it to you and what surgeon (depending on your specific needs and goals) will help you make it best?

If you’re in the US, the only surgeons who creat vulvas that resemble natal equipment are dr. Rachel bluebond Langner/ Dr. Zhao, & Dr. Min Jun. Dr. Bella avenessian is pretty close but she can’t create a V shaped clitoris aka the frenulum. Every other surgeon is not worth it. Even Dr. Wittenberg makes clitorises that are the size of a thumb.

Edit: Dr. Suporn has one of the best aesthetics ever tbh as he makes inverted v shaped clitoris’ and makes sufficient minora that goes around the entrance of the vagina.

Long Read Ahead!

This is something I'm conflicted about sharing but I feel like because my experience is tied to others I've met irl in group, it's something that's kind of important to me.

Mine doesn't look anything like I thought it would look like. I convinced myself it would from doing the same thing you did, asking people online, because at the time I didn't live in an area with lots of trans people. Everyone, including my doctor assured me it would look like very "real".

I've had multiple prolapses, which is an awful experience and is something that my new doctor in NY said happens often. Still it would almost be worth it if: 1. I had any feeling at all. And 2. It looked like an actual vagina.

I went to Florida where they have many of the best surgeons in the country and idk if we're allowed to say the doctors name but he's in the top five recommended for bottom surgery in mtf trans women.

All that's to say, do your research! Don't take other people's, word for it, even mine. Look into it! I wish I had actuayl taken the time to find testimonials from real live people in the real world and read up on short term and long term symptoms. At the time I was basically in go mode.

You can PM if you have any questions, I help run a group for supporting trans women and have learned my experience isn't uncommon. But because we're always afraid to share negative things online in the fear of giving transphobes ammo, you'll likely only hear glowing recommendations from people that haven't even had the surgery.

Edit: Since people are assuming this is just a one time issue with this one surgeon, I had multiple consults with surgeons in States outside of FL, NY and PA, who said my results were typical. If you look into groups of trans women dealing with these issues, you'll hear similar experiences. It's insane considering the small number of trans women that actually get bottom surgery.

yes, they all look different in cis women too, i'm kind of sick of the trans community asking this question over and over again, also I had peritoneal pullthrough so inside is very cis too

I mean you can look at my 4 posts that I made while I was still in hospital the first 4 weeks, but yes it's looking like a cis vagina.

Post op here, mine looks very convincing. Everything is in the correct place and there. The only odd thing is I have some untreated hyperthrophic scars on my leg/butt area next to the canal, but the scars further up aren't really that noticeable as my surgeon did a good job of hiding them and cutting carefully. I'll have to get some steroid injections for my hyperthrophic scars probably. Everyone who's seen it said it looked convincing

Continue your stand NellyBean. It is not a purpose of you to name and shame. In fact in some cases to causes undue harm, particularly in cases where you may not be fully aware. You have set a reasonable answer by going to direct chat

Now to address the issues Not all surgeries prolapse (vaginal prolapse) it is directly related to surgical technique. So many of the US surgeons have been trained by current practitioners. By haighly respected surgeons ( on the surface at least. They haven't been taught the fixing surgical style or been unwilling to take it up. It really is a simple step - you simply need to stitch th3 outer vaaginal wall to surrounding tissue (use more than one stitch

Btw, as a point of disclosure, I work directly with leading trans surgeoes for Gender Dysporia. I will disclose who.