Facial feminization surgery with Facialteam Spain. Before and 2 months post op. Anyone else feel like they are not as conservative as people say they are?
Thatβs great work. And Iβve never found their work conservative, just classy and natural. If my insurance covered European surgery, they would be in my top three in the world Edit: you look stunning, btw!
I've heard a lot of conservative comments about them. But this just proves wrong. Well, to be honest I didn't expect this good result. Haha
Who are your top 3
Wow, great work.
All credit to them. π
Would you mind me asking what surgery have you done?
Gorgeous results! I'm hoping to go with them one day too
Went with them myself. Definitely would recommend! Goodluck youβll get there :)
I hope you do. And thank you. πππ»
WOW! So pretty
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That is anything but conservative, thatβs a dramatic difference
Thank you
i've seen some pretty conservative work and some very aggressive work, i honestly have no idea what determines which you get! but i think when some (not all or even most lol! but a good chunk) people complain about aggression with ft what they mean is that ft doesn't do the really round style you can get in america (because europeans are generally more angular)
I think a lot of it comes down to where the nerves are in your face, in addition to aesthetic goals. (natural vs. model).
When I went there I spoke with some of the surgeons about the more technical side of things and what they do to prevent complications. One thing that kept coming up was the position of the main nerves.
On your chin, for example, you have an important big nerve ending coming out of the bone (the trigeminal nerve). They take a CT-scan before the surgery so they can make sure they don't cut it. But it's not always in the same place exactly. It might sit a bit higher or lower on the chin, affecting how much they can cut.
Same goes for your eye sockets, there are some major nerves around there too. They can actually move these around a bit but not by much. As I understood it, they would use precision tools to dig a little canal in your eyesocket to move the nerve out of the way, correct the orbital bones, and the gently put it back again.
These nerves getting cut is what cause a lot of the more serious complications you hear about with more 'aggresive' surgeons. In my opinion they gamble too much on their own skill.
ya you never know what stuff looks like underneath which is why i tend to give reputable surgeons the benefit of the doubt, especially if the 'after' pic is only a couple months post-op and there's still a ton of swelling on the nose and lower face. it still seems REALLY important to clearly lay out your definitions of aggressive and natural when you're consulting with surgeons tho.
Well, not everyone likes aggressive results. Some just like subtle changes. I think that's what brings people to them.
Not saying its not impressive, because it is. But I'm almost positive they're using a different focal length for the before/after photos-- the angle is completely different on her ears, etc. I would be interested to see more realistic before/after images.
Well, I don't have professional camera. But you can still see huge changes to the face. I would probably have to go back or find the same camera to get the same after photo.
Ah okay, I thought this was a professional image taken by Facial Team and that they were deliberately being deceptive -- I didn't realize this was your personal image. I just immediately got suspicious since different focal lengths can be used to give the impression that the jaw is of different widths, but I understand its tricky to take perfect before/after pictures on your own.
You look great btw, didn't mean to imply you didn't! Thanks for posting.
It doesn't look different because it was taken with the camera that is at the back of the phone. And the after is with selfie camera. But you made a good point.
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Back camera and selfie one do actually take different pictures due to focal length and distortion. You should try taking a picture from over 2 meters away atleast with back camera and zoom in if needed and compare, or since you wont have a before picture like this atleaat try replicate same pic as the before and see how similar different they are
the angle is completely different on her ears, etc.
Do note that in the first picture she's wearing a headband that might push the ears out a bit. It's a rather bulky one in my experience.
I deffo didnβt find them too conservative! Natural look yes, but the changes were not small for me either! Congrats sister you look beautiful!
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I'm so excited when people post results like this, you look amazing! I can't wait for my consultation AHHH
Thank you. And good luck to you! πππ»
It's much more difficult to feminize an older transgirls face head and neck. All the tissue is different than younger girls, the surgery is ultimately more aggressive. Just adding a face and neck lift is brutal all by itself. I had FFS with Jumaily 10/21 and I'm still recovering from it. Younger girls with much less aggressive FFS look great in couple months. But then they don't need face and neck lift etc etc. Aging adds difficulty to it and from what I've seen older girls seem to do better with aggressive surgeons. FT is known for being conservative because they are, not that there is anything wrong with that, but to say that they aren't isn't really true..
And to say that the reason some don't get good result is because of the "canvas" they were "given", as if they were born with that canvas is about as arrogant and insensitive as anything I've ever heard.
Again FT produces astounding results I wouldn't argue that and we're I younger I would probably have gone to them.
But tbh what FT suggested me to do at my consult would have left me very disappointed for sure.
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The post for the most part was about FT being very conservative which they absolutely are. And the "procedures that speaks to that" are in fact ffs procedures anyway. I said it often takes aggressive FFS to feminize us when we're older and it does and that's why FT isn't the best choice for us. Again it certainly did me and had I had FT do it I think I woke have been disappointed. So I'm my opinion, and that's all it is, very simply it seems more difficult to feminize older male sex persons. And that has little to do with canvas they were given as if they were born ugly. OMG! And if they were and it did why would anyone say something like that is beyond me.
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I also went with FT, currently 5 weeks postop, and the areas they worked on look quite drastically different. I wouldn't say they were conservative, the results are basically exactly what I wanted! :)
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Whoever said they're conservative are on crack, these guys will feminize the most masculine face.
They seem to be a bit strangely random. I've seen some results that look slightly more masc on the after on their website
It seems like they're brow bone/chin experts bur outside of that they do nothing. So people with masc brow bones (which o have which gives me hope) come out looking drastically different
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Looks fantastic!
Thank you darling π
Wow as your swelling came down from last month you look AMAZING. And that definitely does not look conservative with the jaw work. Your jaw shape change is incredible!
Thank you . I think the jaw and forehead made the biggest difference.
You look like my English Teacher π³
Haha. I'll take that as a compliment. π
Yes because she's a girl π
You look great! I didn't think they where conservative with me either, I think it just depends on the person and what you discuss with them during the pre-op appointment.
That's it. You just have to be direct what you want. And of course realistic.
I don't think exaggerating hurts either. The doctors are there to keep it within reasonable bounds. I told them I just wanted my jaw off and we settled on a middle ground :D
Stunning and natural!β¨
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wow!!
This is not a conservative result at all, but of all the results that I have seen by Facial Team most have been very subtle. Did you ask them to be a little more aggressive than usual? x
I just explained everything in detail. I think you have to be very strict with them otherwise they might take every decision in their hands. Also I think more aggressive work can give you more complications and revisions. So that might it.
Thanks for the reply. Did they contour the sides or your forehead? It's looking much rounder x
I'm not sure about that. Might be the hair that makes it rounder.
Yeah it could be the hair. Hairstyles make a huge difference as they frame the face x
To get a good sense I'd need the same quality of photo. Your after photo is to close to the lense and is distorting the image whereas your before photo appears to have been taken from further back.
What did they do surgically to make your neck more narrow? Just curious. π
You look beautiful!
good ol focal length
How did your face become narrower?
It's probably different camera. That's why it looks more narrow
I was about to say ima head over there immediately π
They slayedddd omg
Speaking out of my own experience they basicly didn't change shit, they have fokd messages and a excelent hospital but not worth the 30K-50K if u want more agresive aprouch
It is expensive, I agree. But more aggressive approach can give you more complications.
It can be in more a all or nothing type, so i prefer greater risk for higher reward. Regret going to them.
I'm sorry you feel that way. And hopefully you'll reach your new goal. πππ»
I already reached my main goal pre surger by passing 100% of the time voice n face wise. Just wanted it to be extra femine and more pretty well they didn't understood their job even tho they said they would do it. Litterly cant spot a difference other than a lil softer jaw.
Yea if you are unable to do aggressive work, like FT is.
Gorgeous
Thank you. π
I'm one of those who think they are too conservative! But looking at your pictures, I love how dramatic the jaw and eyebrow lift (?) are!! Still not sure if I will go to them, simply because for THAT kinda money I expect more drastic changes.
Congrats to you though, you look stunning.
It is expensive and you have to consider all available options.
What made YOU chose FT?
Gorgeous!! It seems to me that FacialTeam used to be too conservative but has lately improved a lot. Only thing I wouldn't personally let them touch is the nose/lips area as I feel there are better surgeon for that (obviously you have a great nose, it's just that, generally speaking, they don't always make the best work there).
I've heard mixed feelings about the nose as well. I had rhinoplasty with them and so far I'm very happy. They did everything I asked for.
You started with a good shape, usually they are not the best with the bigger/more masculine ones, whereas with forehead and jaw they really do change things. Also, what I Iike about them is that their Virtual Simulations are less aggressive than the actual work, a lot of surgeon would make you look stunning on their simulations only to disappoint you later.
How much did the chin and jaw work cost x
It was β¬8500 but I think it doesn't include hospital fees and stay
Have any where you aren't wearing makeup? Kinda ruins the whole comparison.
Mine was aggressive also but they didn't raise my eyebrows nearly as much as yours. I wonder why.
Maybe they had some limitations?
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I don't think it has anything to do with "canvas" as you put it....wow.
Compared to a much younger transgirls, under say 30 who have been exposed to testosterone poisoning much longer, they will usually for obvious reasons need a surgeon who isn't at all conservative since everything is bigger. And typically from what I've seen, FT isn't necessarily a good choice for them because they are in fact too conservative.
And this isn't slamming FT at all, they really do produce very beautiful results. And it's not just FT that are conservative, many surgeons are because it's safer. And example I had to have extensive reconstruction and FT who I consulted would have been a poor choice.
You look so pretty and natural
What did you get done?
I had forehead reconstruction, eyebrow lift, rhinoplasty, chin and jaw reduction and tracheal shave
These are also taken with two different focal lengths.
Before was taken with rear camera and after with front camera. I probably should've used the same camera/set up.
the 50% to 90% passing statistics are accurate and even if what your saying is true you look awesome, I'm totally jealous and I can't wait to visit Spain for mine
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You look amazing, girl! My insurance would certainly balk at me going to a European surgeon, but this makes me wish.
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How ??! Did they just shave your face off ? Its amazing
Thank you
Wow! Congratulations!
Thank you
Awesome looking natural results π π π
Wow! They did a great job on you. I find most of their results too conservative and underwhelming but youre an exception. Maybe theres a way to ask them to be extra aggressive?
There are limitations to what you can have. But I think they sometimes stay to being Conservative due to complications
they are so aggressive, especially the orbitals see how they shave/flare them upwards not just shave them back like most drs. that is why their foreheads usually turn out the best
wish i could go to your surgeon. these are great results. where can i get great results like this? what procedures did you get?
hey, I see that this post is a few months old, but I'd like to ask: how was the stay there? do they take care of patients well?
It was brilliant. I stayed at one of their accommodations and it was lovley. I even had my own private balcony /patio. They took care of everything. After surgery they made regular visits to my accommodation to check up on me. Also I had them on WhatsApp so I could reach out to them anytime I wanted.
Great results. I have FFS with facial team in June at their clinic in Marbella. Where did you have yours and what surgeons did you have if you donβt mind me asking? βΊοΈ
Greetings from sunny Scotland! My FFS with FacialTeam is on 19th June, so might see you there! π
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